here we're in washington. we want to do these programs and that is a trickier argument. >> what about the president. of course he started it in the very directly in the state of the union address wednesday night. he pick approximated up on it today. he scolded them as well. i mean it wasn't all hey, let's all work together. he took them on. using tough words. >> i think the president, david and i do disagree on whether it is left or right or big or small. i think it has to be showed that government works. and i thought his rebuttal response to congressman mike pences question about the unemployment, and he pointed out that there are 650,000 people laid off and lost their job in december 2008, 750,000 in january, another 650,000 in february, before his plan kicked in. and that economists now, and he has to make the case which i think has been very poorly made that government does and has made a difference whether it's in-- . >> lehrer: you mean the stimulus package. >> the stimulus package and his other initiat